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lobby the nra speaking out today one week after violence rocked that small community in connecticut. >>> and devastating implosion, the end of the world? nope, it is not the apocalypse, it's what people are saying about the fiscal cliff. after speaker boehner's plan b falls flat, what's next? "newsroom" starts now. good morning to you. thank you so much for being with us. i'm carol costello. this hour a nation pauses to honor the victims of last week's horrifying attack at a connecticut elementary school. many americans including president obama will take part in a moment of violence at 9:30 eastern. that marks the moment one week ago that the gunman burst into sandy hook elementary school. church bells will toll across the country 26 times to remember each of the children and educators killed, and after being noticeably quiet for the past week, the national rifle association holds a news conference next hour. the gun rights groups will comments on the shooting as it faces impassioned calls for tighter gun control. poppy harlow, jason carroll are in newtown on this somber morning. p
's foremost gun lobbyists. >> the nra is an organization that has members who are mothers and fathers. and i would expect that they've been impacted by this as well. and hopefully they'll do some self-reflection. >> indeed. self-reflection is something joe biden's recommended as well. confronted by a particularly zealous gun advocate during the youtube presidential debate in 2011. >> tell me your position on gun control as myself and other americans really want to know if our babies are safe. this is my baby. purchased under the 1994 gun ban. >> i tell you what, if that's his baby. he needs help. i think he just made an admission against self-interest. i don't know that he's mentally qualified to own that gun. >> the vice president went on to deliver an em passioned defense of gun control to keep citizens safe from lethal weapons falling into the wrong hands. scripting the federal assault weapons ban. all of which earned mr. biden his "f" rating from the nra. the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. the group will face its critics with
week after the shootings. >> brown: speaking out for the first time since the massacre, the nra's wayne lapierre rejects calls for new limits on guns. >> i asked congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> woodruff: and ray suarez talks to mark glaze, director of the pro-gun control advocacy group mayors against illegal guns. >> brown: plus, we hear from high school students from across the country, and gwen ifill talks with secretary of education arne duncan. >> schools have been forever the safe haven, often safest places in the community. and we need to continue to do everything in our power to make sure that they are. >> woodruff: kwame holman updates washington's spending and tax stalemate after house republicans decide not to follow the leader. >> brown: and mark shields and michael gerson analyze the week's news. >> woodruff: that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> bnsf railway. >> support also comes from carnegie corpora
of the nra and mark glaze of mayors against illegal guns; education secretary arne duncan; and high school students from around the country. also, the state of the fiscal cliff after a split among republicans; plus shields and gerson. but first, the other news of the day. here's hari sreenivasan. >> sreenivasan: the streets of egypt's second largest city were filled with clashing islamists and their opponents today. the groups confronted each other in alexandria. it was the eve of a final-round vote on a draft constitution that's backed by islamists and president mohammed morsi. supporters of morsi and protesters threw rocks at each other, and riot police intervened with tear gas. officials said at least 40 people were injured. it was unclear who started the fight. north korea has detained an american citizen, and says he confessed to unspecified crimes. he was identified today as kenneth bae, a korean-american tour operator from washington state. north korean state media said he entered the country, with a tour, on november 3. the north has detained five other americans since 2009. all we
happened a week ago today. the nra is due to make its first official statement in about half an hour. we'll have that for you live. a moment of silence for the 26 victims was held at 9:30 this morning all across the country. >>> that is the newtown united methodist church where bells tolled 26 times. fire fighters were overcome with emotion during the moment of silence at the newtown fire house and many had responded to the scene at the school a week ago. a large group gathered in prayer at the national cathedral in washington, d.c. the nasdaq put up a sign that said moment for sandy hook on their digital display outside the building. [ female announcer ] food, meet flavor. flavor, meet food. it's time for swanson flavor boost. concentrated broth in easy to use packets. mix it into skillet dishes, for an instant dose of... hell-o! [ female announcer ] get recipes at flavorboost.com. hell-o! excuse me, sir i'm gonna have to ask you to power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really?
this afternoon, less than 24 hours, the nra will break its silence to address, quote, meaningful contributions to ensure mass shootings like the one in newtown never happens again but last night the host of the organization's web cast continued to be critical of any attempt at gun control including president obama's announcement of a brand new task force on gun violence headed by vp joe biden. >> when you look at the president, he mentioned, he's going to tackle this on all fronts but the majority of his press conference today was about guns. you can ban whatever you want. he'll find something else to get. if he can't get his hands on that, he'll find something else. >> in just the last hour, the vice president held his first meeting with the task force meeting with u.s. attorney general eric holder and law enforcement officials from around this country. ag holder will head to newtown later today to meet with first responders to the sandy hook massacre and three more victims will be laid to rest today. nguyen rals will be held for kathlyn hubbard, benjamin wheeler and ann marie murphy, a speci
>>> plus the nra's double down. the organization's ceo says if it's crazy to arm police in school, then call him crazy. >> i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment instrument in this town. >>> but first eight days until the fiscal cliff deadlines, through the has of congress not a creature is stirring, not even a lawmakers. hopes of a deal are fading. before taking off, the president urged congress that pass a scaled-back stop-gap measure. >> senators agreed on sunday to pass -- >> i think unfortunately there will only be a small deal. >> it is going to be a patch. >> kristin welker, traveling with the president in honolulu. the question is will he be cutting hi vacation short? does he have a royal to play? or is it up to the senate, as some are saying? >> reporter: first of all, i think it is likely we'll see him cut his vacation short. senate majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell will have to work together. a lot of focus shifts to mcdonnell. he has to try t
, the cabinet shuffle. why chuck is looking like susan rice and the nra ceo speaking out again. this time, he's taking questions. first, president obama and speaker boehner are home for the holidays. bah humbug, fiscal cliff. good morning. i'm joy reed in today for melissa harris-perry. this week, every member of commerce had something in common. they lost one of their own. senator daniel inouye passed away. he was a senior member serving his home state of hawaii for half a century. members of congress stood shoulder-to-shoulder at the memorial thursday bowing their heads to honor their colleague as he lay in the capital rotunda. friday, they came together for a somber recollection of a man who represented an era long gone. president obama delivered the eulogy remembering the senator's key role in the investigation of the watergate scandal. >> as i watched those hearings watching him ask those piercing questions night after night, i learned how our democracy was supposed to work. our government of and by and for the people. we have a system of government where nobody is above the law. where w
on guns will kick off a new fight in washington. the nra spent $18.6 million supporting and opposing candidates during the 2012 cycle. according to the sun life found case, 51% of the numbers of the new congress have received funding from the national rifle association's political action committee at some point in their political careers. the nra is known for staying silent, running out the clock after tragedies like the one in newtown but yesterday there was a sign that they may be feeling more political pressure than ever before and from the changing tone around the country. group released a statement saying, "they are shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the newtown tragedy." out of respect for the families and as a matter of common decency we have given time for morning prayer and a full consideration of the facts before commenting. the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to make sure this never happens again. the nra also announced a major news conference in the washington, d.c. area on friday. they didn't say where. while the nra spent several days mostly quiet, n
that is the debate that is going to rage, especially after that nra presser today in washington. but for this town, for this moment, for this day, it is not about that. it is very important, but it is about the people and the victims and remembering them and commemorating them in beautiful ways just like this one, brooke. >> absolutely, poppy harlow, thank you so much for us in newtown. wasn't thrill a presser the nra gave, a statement, no questions answered afterward. the nra also held a moment of silence at 9:30 this morning today for the 20 children and the 6 adults slaughtered last friday in newtown schoolhouse. but hours later, the nra spelled out its own plan to prevent similar massacres in the future. the message from wayne lapierre, put guns in every school now. >> and does anybody really believe that the next adam lanza isn't planning his attack on a school, he's already identified at this very moment? how many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame? the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. i call on congress today to act immediatel
, december 19th. christmas is almost here. >> very respectful dialogue. the nra had a respectful statement. i think a lot of people showing respect on this. >> feel something may be be happening. >> feel some grown-ups, maybe. there are, of course, exceptions. >> there are a few. we have mike barnicle with us. you're not an exception. beautiful piece in "the daily news" today. we'll read that in must read. thank you very much. former treasury officials. mark ratner is with us as well. he has a must read. i'm serious. >> beautiful. >> also in washington, washington anchor for "bbc world news america" katty kay. >> no pieces, sorry. >> you'll write one next time. thank you. so we've got a lot to get to this morning. >> a lot to talk about today. >> those exceptions, what are you talking about? >> just in the conversation about everything you thought there were two exceptions. >> rick perry, governor of texas, and -- >> is it bob -- >> they said we need to -- we need to arm teachers. >> we have to think about it. >> somebody in the school with a gun. >> guns in school. that's great. you know wha
his mother, what happened in columbine, took them from their parents and the n.r.a., i consider to be a completely utterly destructive organization in this society if they want everybody to have a gun they need to start talking to people how to handle a gun. here is an idea, secure your guns. my brother keeps his guns in a safe. and my father-- fr frnl. >> that's the law. >> are people prosecuted? >> that's a great point. >> and n.r.a. is on this stuff-- i want to nerve what i have to say. i'm tired of hearing how there's this anti-gun agenda. it's an anti-killing spree agenda, it's not an anti-gun agenda. i don't have a problem with guns, i grew up with guns. i have a problem with people having magazines clips, whatever you want to call them and everyone complains we don't use the exact right term, you we you will a know what i'm talking about, where you can spray bullets and kill 20 people in a minute. this is not the way a civilized society should operate. >> funny you mention that because on friday, the n.r.a.'s wayne laperriere said exactly we need more gun training and mor
before finally being shot dead by police. the shooting happened at the same time the nra held its press conference in washington, d.c. we'll have more on the nra in just a moment. right now i'm joined by tom kotz, kaley elkins, rich lucivella of "s.w.a.t." magazine, and jackie kellens. thank you for being here. they promised, quote, meaningful contributions to stop gun violence but in a press conference in which the organization took no questions, the executive vice president and ceo wayne lapier's only contribution was his call for armed guards inside all of the nation's schools. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. and to do it now to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in january. >> for 30 minutes lapierre went on a tread that was steadfast, unyielded and trying to blame violence on the insane monster that is pop late our society. but it turned into a glimpse inside the mind of the man who makes the nra, the lobbying arm of the firea
vice president of the nra has now broken his silence. he says it's the good guys against the bad guys, and everyone should have a gun. i disagree. if you look today at the speech that we showed just earlier here on msnbc, it's the first time since the newtown mass murder that the nra has spoken out in a speech that brought out the protesters. >> see there? several protesters interrupting. the nra did not focus on regulating semiautomatic weapons in this address, an address i think can only be described as combative. wayne la pierre attacked the press, the game and movie industry, and unnamed politicians for basically getting this story wrong, and he issued a range of criticisms. he staked out his organization's solution to this problem. ultimately as more guns. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> there you have it. the nra called on congress to fund armed guards at every school in the nation and
after robert kennedy was killed and said, we have ten days before the nra gets mobilized. we have ten days to accomplish the bill was sitting in the judiciary committee, the gun bans, from the time when john f. kennedy was killed. and now martin luther king jr. had been killed, robert kennedy was killed. he said, you've got ten days to mobilize. you've got to get this done. they did what they could and they came up with a much smaller bill which was signed regretfully by lbj in october. >> i don't have the historical perspective that andrea does, but i have covered all the -- >> you didn't cover that '68 bill? >> no, i missed it. but i have covered the four instances of mass gun violence under obama, and i have to say the scariest thing to me with respect to newtown was when i g-chatted my fellow editor in new york to plot out coverage, and we knew exactly what to do because we had done it three times before. it had gotten so routine and so disturbing to us and i'm worried i'll be writing the same story. >> we can't desensitize ourselves to this, though. >> listen, we're not going to.
. it's the one thing that would keep people safe. >> that's the nra ceo on "meet the press" yesterday doubling down on the call to arm our nation's schools and puts him at odds of most americans according to 49% saying it's more important to control gun ownership. 42% favor protecting 2nd amendment rights. i want to bring in shannon watts. as many people watched on friday, not only we saw the first reaction in the press briefing that wane lappeire and pressed and wayne is blaming everything but guns and opposed to any new gun regulation and wants to talk about the other possibilities of video games to hollywood to the media to actually arming schools. is this a point of a pr crisis for the nra, especially logically not to have guns in the discussion at all? >> well, unfortunately, i think they know exactly what they're doing. and at the end of the day what they're doing is trying to make a profit and arm everyone in the country and, you know, 80 million moms are not going to let 4 million members of the nra drive the discussion on this. you talk about waking a sleeping giant. i believ
today, we will have live coverage here on the cspan accords. while we wait for the nra to get under way, we spoke earlier with a republican member of congress to get his thoughts on last night's action and the house on fiscal cliff legislation. > >> what happened inside the caucus last night at 7:30. >> it was about the short as one i have ever seen. john boehner said he did not have the vote and we passed the bill, two bills that harry reid has been sitting on and the senate. he said he is available to negotiate. mr. kantor said we would be called back within 48 hours notice and see you after christmas. that's all it was. host: are they negotiate from a position of strength? guest: the speaker has been negotiating as much as he can -- i think the president has not been dealing in good and faith and not negotiating at all. he gave us a plan that was his budget that was voted on in the senate, 99-0 against his budget and in the house, he gets zero votes for it also. that is what the president put on the table. i don't think he has been negotiating in good faith. we need to find solutions
say the nra uses money, power, scare tactics to hold lawmakers hostage to the agenda opposing gun regulations. i want to bring in richard painter and the law professor of minnesota and joining us from minneapolis who wrote an opinion piece, an op ed in "the new york times," and a protection racket where people are controlled by organized criminals, corrupt politicians. when you hear the head of the nra today say that gun laws are not the answer it really is arming people, arming somebody in that school that could have saved lives, what is your response? >> well, we -- of course, should focus on mental health issues. we should have fewer violent movies and video games and have better security in our schools, but nothing is going to change the fact that the last thing those children saw if they looked up, and i hope they didn't, is the end of a weapon manufactured by his financial backers. lapierre says if one of those teachers had a weapon they could have killed the gunman and could have saved lives and that was the potential outcome had there been someone armed in that school. >>
on the issue. at the least push for reinstating the assault weapons been a. now the nra has weighed in. chief washington correspondent james rosen has the story. >> challenging days ahead for newtown, connecticut. >> the national rifle association sought to counter the massive coordinated campaign for new laws by gun control lobby. >> you have bloomberg and schumer and feinstein insisting we need tougher gun laws. you look at connecticut are number five with the strictest gun laws in the country. >> sources tell fox news the nra having observed a proper mourning period will begin to push back against gun control advocates. widening the discussion to include hollywood and gaming industry. and pitting defenders of the first amendment against the defenders of the second. late today, the nra made a move to announce a major news conference friday and saying the 4 million members, male and female prepared to offer meaningful contributions to make sure it never happens. again went on the record with the measures that president obama fights for. >> he is supportive of senator feinstein's stated inten
for the families and until the facts are known, the nra has refrained from comment. >> harris: and the group's ceo placing some blame. >> we have flood soaked films out there. vicious, violent video games. >> and the nra offering a proposal, an armed officer in every single school in america. also, mexican police locked up this former u.s. marine months ago, accused him of trying to bring a gun into the country. >> a lesser person would have pleaded guilty. >> they chained him to a bed and reportedly threatened his life. but this marine stayed strong. and now time finally to come home. i'm harris faulkner in tonight for shepard smith. and we begin tonight with president obama's new move to reshape his cabinet. at the white house today he announced massachusetts senator john kerry as his pick for the next secretary of state. >> john has played a central role in every major foreign policy debate for nearly 30 years. as we turn the page on a decade of war, he understands that we have got to it harness all elements of american power and ensure that they are working together. >> the president then sayi
on that banner says, nra killing our kids. this is the first news conference the nra held since the mass shooting that we first told you about last friday. wayne laperriere, ceo of nra. he will amid this first statement when the disruption took place. one of the big questions, moving forward into the new year, what will the task force created by president obama come up with, when it comes to the future potentially of gun control in this country. and how will the nra respond? according to some initial reports it seemed that the nra said they were going to come out with their own proposal and hopefully work in the process. let's go ahead and listen to wayne laperriere. >> by an unknown number of genuine monsters. people that are so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons, that no sane person can ever possibly comprehend them. they walk among us every single day. and does anybody really belief that the next adam lanza isn't planning his attack on a school? he is already identified at this very moment? how many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame? fr
slamming the nra calling the group's leader a gun nut and politicians divided along party lines with the thought of more guns in schools. >> i do not believe that those remarks represent anywhere near a significant portion of america. >> school safety is a complex issue with no simple no single solution but i believe trained, armed security is one key component among many that can provide the first line of difference as well as the last line of defense. >> reporter: the debate over semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines has raged since the shooting at sandy hook. a gallup poll found 53% agreed increasing police presence in schools would be very effective. a third said somewhat effective, 12% said not effective and 42% said banning the sale of automatic weapons and nor an third, 36% said it would not be effective. feel free to weigh in on my page at rick levanthol over the debate of gun rights and greater restrictions continues. >> heather: rick, thank you. >> gregg: search for justice in the benghazi, libya terror attacks. a scathing report placing blame squarely for
wrote to the people of newtown, connecticut and then at 7:45, the nr will have a press -- nra will have a press conference. >>> john boehner is speaking at the capitol. we're there live. here is taking questions at a live news -- from a live news conference. >> are you willing to give the president a proposal -- >> the president and i had a series of conversations. i told the president on monday. these were my bottom lines. the president told me that his numbers of 1.3 trillian in new revenues, 830 billion in spending cuts was his bottom line. and he couldn't go any further. so we see a situation where because because of the political divide in the country -- where because of the political divide in the country, trying to bridge these differences has been difficult. if it were easy, this could have been decades before, i guarantee you. but we have to find a way to address this significant spending problem that we have and we need to find a way to begin to grow our economy in a way that will create more jobs in our country. >> we'll been live -- we've been living live to john boehner th
cincinnati newtown, we're hearing from chlt nra. >> and look out below. a landslide takes out a freight train. a camera captures the whole thing. look at that. good morning. welcome to "early start." >> it's nice to have you with us. it is 5:00 a.m. in the east. up first, systemic failures at the state department. that is a scathing conclusion of an independent review board investigating the deadly september 11th attack at the u.s. consulate in benghazi. ambassador chris stevens and three other americans were killed that day. the panel finding security in benghazi was grossly inadequate to cope with the attack, that washington ignored repeated requests to beef up personnel, and ultimately a lack of transparency, responsiveness and leadership senior levels both this washington and in libya. alise, what do you make of this report. a lot of these findings we've been talking about for a very long time. >> that's right, but also in the last few months, there's been so much politicization of this attack, especially with these talking points and the whole issue of susan rice, ambassador susan rice a
conditions and travel nightmares. plus, the nra's controversial proposal to put armed volunteers in every school, we'll go in-depth with the man in charge of the national school shield program. i'm joe johns. you're in "the situation room." the u.s. is now just six days away from the so-called fiscal cliff. and a mad scramble is on here in washington to avoid the drastic tax hikes and spending cuts that many fear will plunge the economy back into recession. president obama flies back from hawaii tonight to be ready if the senate comes back with a plan when it returns to work tomorrow. and house leaders are huddling with members on stand-by to return. senior congressional correspondent dana bash is following all of it for us. what are you hearing? >> there was a conference call of course members of the house leadership even, they're back in their districts, but there was a conference call today among those house republican leaders trying to figure out if and when the house should come back into session. two republican sources tell me they did not make a decision on this call. it's still up
opposition. details ahead. plus, the head of the n.r.a. making the first public statement since the sandy hook elementary school shooting amid protests there. his plea to put armed guards inside schools coming up. >> the united states marine held in mexico for an technique gun set to walk through today. all ahead, unless breaking news changes everything. this is "studio b." first from fox at 3:00, president obama revealing his choice to be the next secretary of state today nominating senator john kerry to that job. many analysts had already called it washington's worst kept secret. if confirmed senator john kerry takes on a key role in the national security team during the second term. senator john kerry would replace the current secretary of state, hillary clinton, who will step down early next year. this afternoon, president obama calling senator kerry an exemplary public servant. >> we turn the page on a decade of war he knows we have to harness american power and ensure they work telling, diplomatic and development, economic and political, military and intelligence, as well as the pow
to the newtown attack. bill plante is at nra headquarters in fairfax, virginia, just outside of washington. bill, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, norah. the nra is one of washington's most powerful lobbying groups. but for four days after the killings in newtown, it had nothing to say. nothing on its website, on facebook or on twitter. but tuesday with politicians of every stripe now calling for some kind of action, the nra broke its silence. saying that it was shocked, saddened, and heartbroken by the murders and that it had refrained from commenting out of respect for the families. in a statement the nra said it is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. and that it will offer more details at a news conference on friday. in congress, the leader of senate republicans joined the chorus of politicians who are suggesting that something needs to be done. >> as we continue to learn the facts congress will examine whether there is an appropriate and constitutional response that would better protect our citizens. >> reporter: the white house spok
. and there's not been out rage. elected officials in congress because we've been duped by an nra who has continued to fear us. guns make money. they are making money off the lives of black and brown children. >> congressman elect jeffreys, you've been appointed to the judiciary committee. and one of the things night before last action network and i went to connecticut because we must reach out and not go and finger point one community is more important than another. we all are in trouble. how do we get the congress to move in the light of this situation that has just happened in connecticut that has been happening in chicago, been happening in new york, as you've worked with us, you remember now, been happening all over this country. how do we get them to move now and not let the holidays take this off of the minds of the american public and therefore, your klicolleagues escape throu the stroke of distraction. >> there's an epidemic of gun violence all across america. it's been increasingly prevalent in suburban communities. it's something that we in the inner city in brooklyn and harlem
the president of the nra will be on with david gregory on "meet the press" so a big weekend to see what the nra plan to do going forward. >> exactly. i'll be on the program, as well. thank you for the plug and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." my colleague tamron hall has a look at when's next. >> hi, andrea. plan "b" basically stands for be real. and house republicans get ready to bring boehner plan to the floor for a vote. senator reid says it's got no chance of passing the senate. what's the possible solution? >>> democratic congressman pass quell and congresswoman swartz will join us. tomorrow, the nra holds that big news conference we have been waiting for. will the organization announce support of gun control legislation? that's the gut check question of the day. the only underarm treatment for low t. that's right, the one you apply to the underarm. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others through direct contact. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoid contact where axiro
square, wall street, and broadway theaters. >>> the nra says it's willing to offer meaningful contributions to ensure shootings like those in newtown never happen again. the gun rights group said it had been silent until now out of respect for the families. a major investment firm announced it's selling the biggest maker of the assault rifle. people see it as a step toward making assault rifles tabu. >> at the end of the day it's not necessarily the dollar that counts but the sense. the sense of the types of weapons we're selling to the general public. >> we'll hear more details about the nra's position at a news conference on friday. >> considering the mood of the nation, you have to wonder -- they have to pick their words very carefully during that news conference. they said nothing up to this point. even their facebook page had been taken down. so it's going to be interesting to see what those folks have to say at the end of the week. >>> also, in newtown, friends and family are preparing to say goodbye to first grade teacher vicki soto, one of those hero teachers. her fune
democrats with ratings by the nra said for the first time they are open to new gun laws. warner tweeted this was a game changer, and mansion seemed to agree. >> this changed the dialogue, and it should move beyond dialogue. we need action. >> reporter: an area of possible agreement is senator diane feinstein reintroducing a ban on assault weapons, one specific carney says the president supports. the president and vice president met with cabinet secretaries this afternoon to begin the work of figuring out what specific legislation they may come up with to deal with the aftermath of this tragedy. lou? lou: thank you, ed henry, fox news chief white house correspondent. first guest tonight says gun laws are a critical part of the national discussion, but the country also needs, he says, to respond to the mental health issues when it comes to mass shootings as well as the corrosive influence of the digital world and a culture of violation. joining us, former homeland security secretary, form earn governor of pennsylvania, tom ridge, who also served on the review panel to study the virginia t
guns. the nra should stop, they won't. we should stop them from being enablers of mass murder. >> being the national rifle association. congressman, thanks very much for your perspective. >> thank you. >> jerriey edjerry. >>> former chief economist at the u.s. sentencing commission and author of the third edition of the book "more guns, less crimes." thank you very much for coming in. i'll give you a chance to respond. the united states has a lot more murders, you just heard from congressman nadler. he said it's because there are so many guns that are so easiil available out there. >> well, you look at the murder rates in the other countries whether if be germany he just mentioned or others and they had lower murder rates relative to the united states before they had the gun control laws. when britain, other countries, ireland, jamaica, other places imposed gun bans, murder rates went up. americans have seen that in places like chicago and washington, d.c. every place in the world that we have crime data both before and after a gun ban has gone into effect, every single place has seen a
it done? >> well, they probably don't have the votes today. it will be interesting to see what the nra who is going to be making press announcements tomorrow start to say and whether they start letting some members off the hook on assault weapons bans. i don't know if they will, but i can tell you this. the nra has four million members. you know, the campaigns like mayors against illegal guns and others, within a few weeks they are going to have four million members. this is just not going to be tolerated in the same way anymore. and senators like scott brown may end up being kind of the first test on this. he made that crafty statement because he opposed a federal bill in the past. >> you mean the state should have the responsibility. >> right. but he knew as a senator that it was never going to pass. he was the number one recipient of nra money in his campaign over this last year. a lot of senators are going to find themselves in the cross hairs because of taking all of that money and when he comes back to -- tries to come back to the senate, that may very well be a big issue. >> like jo
of this program. a week after the massacre at sandy hook elementary, nra executive wayne lapierre joined the debate and here is part of what he said. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> chris: senator barasso, wayne lapierre proposed having an armed guard in every school in america. estimates are that would cost some where not the neighborhood of $8 billion a year. a couple of questions. one, would you vote at a time of deficit issues for $8 billion a year to put armed guards in every school in america? and are there any laws you can support in terms of assault guns, or assault rifles in terms of high capacity magazines, tightening background checks, any new gun controls you could support? >> letts step back for a second. i'm a doctor and father of three and from wyoming, a state where we believe strongly in our second amendment rights. we are the people of wyoming and we personally still absolutely committed to find real solutions that work. so something like this tragedy never happens again. three more of those children were laid to rest yeste
are going to continue to the enablers of violence, namely the nra, which simply represents the gun manufacturers, which are really the merchants of death, to use a phrase from an earlier era. >> congressman jerry nadler of new york, thank you so much for being on the program. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> now to what congress will do the rest of this week, including the cliff negotiations. i'm joined by jonathan weissman of the new york times, great reporter, my colleague on the hill, thank you so much for being here. back to the cliff and guns on nadler, sherman was here saying there is some talk amongst leadership, but i keep beating this like a drum, doesn't seem to be any urgency on capitol hill. >> i was talking to some senators this morning, when are you going to get back into town? oh, you know, maybe tomorrow night we'll kind of come in. president obama will be coming in tomorrow night. doesn't seem the level of urgency that you would think, given that in five, six days these things are going to hit. and i think it's because they really -- i think there's a sense now
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